Anti-abortion logic in a nutshell

Spotted on Tumblr, not linking because I don’t want to single out the person:

One of the many reasons I have found that pro choice supporters use as a reason for abortion is in the cases of rape or a baby that will have medical problems, for example Down’s Syndrome. But in fact rape only accounts for less than 1% of the reasons why people have abortions. As for medical difficulties I ask you this, who are we to judge who lives and who dies? How sad is it that we seem to think only those who are ‘perfect’ can positively contribute to society?  Also the my body, my choice argument.  Yes, your body it your body, but the unborn baby inside you isn’t.  In my personal opinion if you are willing to consent to sex, then you are also consenting to the possibility of a baby. Even for those born with sever difficulties, they can still have a positive impact and effect on those who they come into contact with, even of that is just for them to appreciate what they have.

Let’s unpack this!

Rape

But in fact rape only accounts for less than 1% of the reasons why people have abortions.

If it accounted for 2%, anti-choicers would be totally okay with abortion.  Just kidding!

“Medical difficulties”

As for medical difficulties I ask you this, who are we to judge who lives and who dies?

And you thought I was kidding when I said anti-choicers would prefer pregnant people to die.  Yes, the specific context is talking about “foetal medical problems”, but come on, it’s just so perfect.

Biology

Also the my body, my choice argument.  Yes, your body it your body, but the unborn baby inside you isn’t.

Yet it demands the use of my blood and oxygen.  All I’m doing is cutting off its supply.  It’s like tough love.  Surely we can just expect the foetus to pull itself up by its own bootstraps?

Rape again

In my personal opinion if you are willing to consent to sex, then you are also consenting to the possibility of a baby.

See, dear antichoicer, this is why prochoicers talk about abortion in cases of rape.  Because even the densest, most wilfully-ignorant sex-negative fundy has to acknowledge (okay, some of them don’t) that not all procreative intercourse is consensual.

Disability porn

How sad is it that we seem to think only those who are ‘perfect’ can positively contribute to society?  … Even for those born with sever difficulties, they can still have a positive impact and effect on those who they come into contact with, even of that is just for them to appreciate what they have.

Now, the issue of abortion in the case of disability is gigantically complex, and I’m not going to pithily sum it up here ’cause that would be gross.  What I want to highlight, though, is the antichoicer’s attitude:  even the most fucked-up person can still ~inspire~ the able-bodied to ~appreciate what they have~, so who cares about that person’s own experience or point of view, right?

The antichoice movement, people:  it really, really, really is all about controlling pregnant people’s bodies and letting them die if it tightens that control.  Otherwise I’m pretty sure I would have seen a coherent, internally-consistent argument in its favour by now.

7 comments

  1. terryg

    Oh QoT, thank you. i just had to replace my keyboard after spitting coke all over it.

    “Surely we can just expect the foetus to pull itself up by its own bootstraps?”

    is perhaps the single greatest pithy comment i’ve ever read. one can hear anti-choice Randians heads exploding even now
    terryg

  2. adam white

    Do the anti-choice lobby know you can chose not to have an abortion? I know at the core its anti-women, “I have a dick and wanna control you via your womb” bull shit – but really do some of them even understand that choice means the choice to have a baby also? Or is it, as a bloke it’s the one thing you really don’t have any control over, and it makes you feel powerless – so to make yourself feel better – you oppress someone else?

    Personally I want this debate to go away – Women own their own bodies. Reproduction is a women issue and they get choice and ownership in this area. Men, my fellow men – grow up, everyday you have points of powerlessness – why the hell oppress women to fell better about that. Also you can act like a normal human being and talk to a partner about their choice before you marry/date them – and if don’t like abortion, you should find a partner who feels the same way – rather than use it as a tool of control.

    That said – I don’t think this is a debate that will go away, until men stop seeing women as something less than themselves.

    • Chris Miller

      It plays into eugenics as well. Choice is only choice if you can make a decision either way – which includes having children when society would prefer you didn’t (eg poor brown people, disabled people, criminals…). It’s never been about the right to kill all fetuses, it’s the right to make reproductive decisions for yourself, whatever they may be – the emphasis is simply on the choice that is most maligned at a particular point. I suspect that in New England in the 1920s there weren’t a huge number of people labeled as undesirable fighting for the right to not have children.

  3. gwilsonfans

    It’s sad leftists like you think only “perfect” babies deserve life while “imperfect” and unplanned babies should be murdered before they’re born but you think convicted killers on death row are “innocent” and “wrongly convicted” because of their race.

    [QoT: A++ impression of an antichoice troll, would chuckle again.]

  4. Chris Miller

    One of the (many) reasons I would never choose to carry a pregnancy to term is because of my disability. I’m starting to succeed in spite of it now, at age 28, but I lost a decade of my life, have no guarantee that won’t happen again, and it’s just miserable. I don’t want to inflict it on a kid. (I also would have to discontinue or change my medication while pregnant, which would be a significant loss of quality of life for me. So disability arguments like that get no sympathy from me, really.

  5. V (verbscape)

    “In my personal opinion if you are willing to consent to sex, then you are also consenting to the possibility of a baby.”

    If it’s your personal opinion, then don’t personally get an abortion. Problem fucking solved.

    The thing about consent is that it is a thing that an individual gives. You don’t get to decide that someone else has consented. Since we’re talking about rape anyway, I’ll point out I have no time for guys who say “if you are willing to consent to dinner, then you are also consenting to the possibility of sex”, because only I decide what I consent to. That’s kind of the fucking point of consent.

    Other interesting things about that quoted sentence: given that anti-choicers consistently refer to embryos and foetuses as “babies”, then sure, prepare for “the possibility of a baby”. One way to prepare for that possibility is by fighting to have abortion legally available in case you find yourself growing a “baby”.

    Also: when this person says “you” are consenting to the possibility of a baby, I suspect what they really mean is “(cis) women”. I wonder where they stand on the issue of deadbeat dads? (That’s a lie; I don’t really care.) I’m assuming trans people don’t exist in their world, or same-sex sex. The usual line is that ~those dirty sluts~ agreed to have (hetero(*)) sex so they deserve to be ~punished~ with ~a gift from God~.

    Cognitive dissonance? What cognitive dissonance?

    (* hetero as in the behaviour not the orientation, we don’t have enough words for this)

    ANYWAY basically I agree with everything you posted and I just get really grumpy about reproductive rights even though I’m effectively a celibate lesbian.

    BONUS: “As for medical difficulties I ask you this, who are we to judge who lives and who dies?”

    lololololol I’m going with “uh, we’re human beings with a functioning medical profession, HELLO”. Unless this person is advocating that we outlaw doctors altogether?